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Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

$17352766 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:27:28 -0000

I do agree with you and those saying Jordan is in fact the Arab Palestinian State already.
Hebron, Bethlehem, Yerushalaim belong to the Jewish people and Judea-Shomron should not be negotiated. No land should be offered, less so for a fake fragile peace promise on piece of paper.
The most obvious, equitable, fair and workable viable solution would be to declare Jordan as what it really is: Arab-Palestine.
But that option is not on the table right now. Why not? Will it be there asan option in the future? Will the "rest of the world" come to understand and to the realization that this is the best and obviously fair solution?
And what about Israel???
Why has Israel abandoned this discourse route totally? Why don't we see any leaders or organizations pushing for this?
Just because of delusional political correctness?
Will Israelis and their leaders ever stop playing to the Oslo charade they have agreed upon already for so long and STAND by this solution? Will Israel ever demand and insist on such a solution?
Whether they'll ever do or won't, in the meantime they should build, and build a lot developing our land on a big scale, not a mere 12 houses here or there. They are not doing that, what a pity, and yet the 'world' always condemns Israel for building 'settlements'.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

benjabo1 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:36:40 -0000

MOL

My own mother-in-law was an Angel, she never mixed in

Try to follow her exampe, become an Angel so that you won't mix in to matters that are none of your concern

I know, I know, you know it all, you just can't help it

Try a zipper on your lip

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

benjabo1 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:53:31 -0000

Greet Faayad, make him feel at home, some motherly love should do it

Back in May 2007, Dr. Izzat Atiya, head of Al Azhar University’s Department of Hadith, issued a fatwa, or Islamic legal decree, saying that female workers should “breastfeed” their male co-workers in order to work in each other’s company. According to the BBC:

He said that if a woman fed a male colleague “directly from her breast” at least five times they would establish a family bond and thus be allowed to be alone together at work. “Breast feeding an adult puts an end to the problem of the private meeting, and does not ban marriage,” he ruled. “A woman at work can take off the veil or reveal her hair in front of someone whom she breastfed.”

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

benjabo1 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:42:08 -0000

MOL

It doesn't matter where the elections were held, losers were thrown off of high rise buildings or shot in the streets by the other side, knee capping gratis

It was in the news, try reading some instead of making it up by your lonesome

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

benjabo1 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:19:16 -0000

MOL

I'll make it short & sweet, maybe it will sink in

Arabs already have Jordan, which consists of 77% of Mandate Palestine, there is nothing more to give, all of your hot air isn't going to change it

If you want to give, make it parts of your own state, of wherever that happens to be

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

benjabo1 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:15:55 -0000

MarkofLewiston

Don't lie when the other fellow asks a legitimate question

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

benjabo1 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:14:38 -0000

MOL

You may not be "Negotiating",
how it is for damn sure that you're 'TELLING" others what to do

You're like an old mother-in-law,sticking her snoopy nose into matters which of none of your concern

"I been there" and done negotiating for too many years in a different field.

Been there", certainly not to here

Other fields don't count, we are only concerned with here & now

Let's make a deal, if we need to have a few chickens plucked, we'll call on your expertise to do it

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

benjabo1 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:09:04 -0000

Markof Lewiston

Ask them for it !!

The Saudi made their own pre-condtions ten years ago, they too fell by the wayside,
since neither side is wiling to agree on anything

If the Jordanian/Israel "Peace Agreement" holds up the same as the Egyptian-Israel, that too will go bust at the first provocation by either side

Don't set the pre-condtions yourself, nobody asked you for them, did they?

You're like a blank cartridge in a weapon, all noise, no effect

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

benjabo1 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:04:09 -0000

HEY FOLKS DONT' ARGUE WITH MOL

He knows everything, sees everything, from behind the safety of his computer

His real problem is that his kids won't give him an allowance to leave home to see
what's going on in the real world

In his spare time he gives haircuts & pedicures, that is, after he stops pretending that he's being important

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

benjabo1 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:00:38 -0000

Mark
Since you don't approve, how about leaving home to supervise the next elections

Then, at long last, you will be able to say that you've seen what's going on

PA isn't occupied, the land never belonged to Arabs in the first place.

I've asked you before, show me a single citation from their Queeran that even mentions Palestine

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

$14691027 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:19:42 -0000

Adding to your remarks, the British Mandatory, which you discuss above, also provided that there was to be only ONE Arab state in the Mandate territory. That state is Jordan and that is where the Palestinians (Arabs, all) should go. If Israeli Arabs take issue with this conclusion, they can surrender their citizenship and go there, as well. Fat chance, however, that the latter will happen since Israeli Arabs know how good they've got it in Israel. Even most, if not all, Arabs in EJ say they will leave there and enter WJ if EJ is taken over by the PA.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Frank555 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 07:01:51 -0000

MarkOfFraudiston, Fraudestinians can organize free election whenever they want.

If they believe occupation is a problem, they can move back to Arabia.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

aslansfool — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:44:23 -0000

With those preconditions what is left to negotiate, the flooding of Israel with 5 or 6 million refugees?? Also as Fayyad said without the Jordan River there is no Palestine. That about covers it.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:21:43 -0000

The only fair elections these PA Arabs have ever held were under Israel auspice in January 2005. In those elections, Abbas won the presidency for a 4 year term. We are now in 2012. No new elections because the people at the top have stolen millions and are not interested in democracy.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 05:19:55 -0000

Like usual, you obfuscate the obvious because your position is untenable. The point is that you said that elections cannot be held under what you call "occupation". Based on what you said, the PA is unrepresentative. So, again I ask you, whom does the PA represent? On whose behalf are they negotiating? You will babble some sort of off-the-subject answer again, but the point remains that they are unelected (they are now in their 8th (not 7th as I wrote previously) year of their 4 year term).

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

$4431189 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:21:38 -0000

You asked me if I was negotiating. I responded no. If you don't want an answer, don't ask the question.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

$4431189 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:11:12 -0000

Sure you have sovereignty and independence.

That is why you are building and deploying Iron Dome and have such a small army compared by population with France or the Swiss. And so long as you forcibly occupy others, you will be condemned by that to maintain and expand your control.

Eventually, the US and everybody else will abandon funding the PA and you will have to decide to have anarchy there or pay for it yourselves. The Abbas generation is dying of old age. Does anybody in your government think beyond besting Abbas this week? Doubtful.

You want peace, you'll have to give peace and sovereignty in return. Permanent overlord-ship is not a rational approach to achieving less resentment of the occupation.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

$4431189 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:02:06 -0000

Wrong. The PA elections were held in Gaza and the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Hamas won a plurality. The Bush admin sponsored an attempted coup by Fatah in Gaza, telegraphed it in advance and Fatah lost the coup attempt. Hence the Fatah flying.

But even before that, the US engineered a cut off and economic strangulation of the PA so that their sole source of funds was Iran, arranged by Hamas with the aid of the Bush Administration.

Once Hamas had taken over Gaza following the failed coup, the split Gaza from PA control was completed. Israel then arrested the Hamas legislators in the West Bank, effectively finishing the annulment of the PA elections.

Elections cannot be free and fair if the results can be annulled with impunity as the last set were.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 03:51:37 -0000

Oh, Mark, do you refuse to negotiate? Do you represent anybody? Did anybody ever ask you to negotiate on behalf of the PA or Israel?

We in Israel have independence. We have a vibrant democracy. We have sovereignty.

All of these have been offered repeatedly to your Arab friends. They are not interested. Please read the Hamas charter. You know, Hamas, the democratically elected government of Gaza. It calls for the destruction of Israel as the focal point for the spread of jihad.

Okay, lesson is over. You may put your head back in the sand.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 03:48:41 -0000

The last elections were held in Gaza and Hamas was elected. (Remember when the Hamas democrats threw the PA freedom-seekers off roofs?). The last elections held on the so-called West Bank were held under what you call "occupation". Are you saying that these elections were not fair? If so, you are saying that Abbas and Fayyad have no standing whatsoever and you are agreeing with me.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

$4431189 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 03:05:41 -0000

Like the PA can have free or fair elections under occupation. The last elections were annulled.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

$4431189 — Tue, 17 Apr 2012 03:04:40 -0000

Wrong. I refuse to negotiate. I only comment on negotiating conditions. I been there and done negotiating for too many years in a different field.

I can, however, recognize what might work and what won't. The archipelago plan won't work. It does not include long term sovereignty or independence for either side.

Forever control is poison to both sides.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:55:38 -0000

Jordan is the Arab state in Palestine. It sits on 77% of the territory.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:54:47 -0000

MoL, per usual, does not know what he is talking about. He is ready to do all the negotiations for everybody without even a basic understanding of the issues.

Re: Netanyahu, Fayyad to meet in Jeru... JPost - Diplomacy & Politics

Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:53:43 -0000

The PA was elected 7 years ago to 4-year terms.